What Do the 'Liberal' Hawks Think Now?

This news item is interesting (and is also being reported in The Independent;  italics mine):
In a report, the group known as Platform said that oil multinationals would be paid between 74 billion pounds ($43 billion) and 194 billion pounds, with rates of return of between 42% and 162% under proposed production-sharing agreements, or PSAs.

"The form of contracts being promoted is the most expensive and undemocratic option available," said Platform researcher Greg Muttitt on Tuesday

"Iraq's oil should be for the benefit of the Iraqi people, not foreign oil companies."...

"Iraqi public opinion is strongly opposed to handing control over oil development to foreign companies," it said.

"But with the active involvement of the US and British governments, a group of powerful Iraqi politicians and technocrats is pushing for a system of long-term contracts with foreign oil companies which will be beyond the reach of Iraqi courts, public scrutiny or democratic control."...

But Platform's report alleged that financing oil development could be done instead through government budgetary expenditure, using future oil flows as collateral to borrow money, or using international oil companies through shorter-term and less lucrative contracts.

Louise Richards, chief executive of aid charity War on Want, said: "People have increasingly come to realise that the Iraq war was about oil, profits and plunder."

"Iraq's oil profits, far from being used to alleviate some of the suffering the Iraqi people now face, are well within the sights of the oil multinationals."

So, I wonder what all the liberal hawks think about this? After a decade of sanctions and the destruction of much of Iraq's infrastructure before, during, and after the war, don't the Iraqi people need all the help they can get? Wasn't the war supposed to be about the spread of democracy? It's hard to build a democracy when you don't have any money to build with. And in terms of spreading democracy, no one will believe us: they'll think it's all about the oil (and the natural gas too). So Thomas Friedman, Ken Pollack, and all the other 'liberal' hawks, what do you think now?

We told you. We warned you. We said that this war was not motivated by dreams of democracy, but by Republican avarice for power.  But you built up an image of those who opposed the war as a bunch of idiotic, reflexive freaks, as Saddam's useful idiots.

You arrogant fools. You were the useful idiots, not us.

(this has also been cross-posted here)


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Congressman Norm Dicks: (none / 0)

He admits he was wrong on Iraq. He says he never would have voted for the war if he knew then what he knows now. He is just the latest rat to jump the sinking ship. The next question is, where is Hillary?
by Eternal Hope on Sun Nov 27, 2005 at 06:36:04 PM EST

And Senator Biden (none / 0)

I just read Biden's plan for gradual phased withdrawal in Scott's front page diary. I don't see any difference between Biden's plan and Murtha's plan:

Maron: Well, look, Dr. Dean, I just gotta ask you right out, is there any way that we can get all the Democrats to agree that this war is the wrong thing right now and we've got to bring these troops home?

Dean: I think there is, and I think we're pretty close. I think Jack Murtha's leadership is just incredible. Oddly enough, the plan to get out, that I think we can get Democrats to coalesce around is a plan written by a Republican. By Lawrence Korb, who's a former Undersecretary of Defense.

Courtesy of rich kolker, here is Korb's plan.

It looks to me like Biden's plan is just like Korb's plan which is actually Murtha's plan.

And aren't they all calling for a gradual, phased withdrawal, which is Sen. Feingold's plan?

Is there any difference between any of the plans being proposed and Russ Feingold's plan? Aside from the dates and a few details, I don't see any difference.

by Gary Boatwright on Sun Nov 27, 2005 at 06:45:28 PM EST
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The Wacky Leftwing Cultists Were Right After All! (none / 0)

No Blood For Oil!

Not too simplistic, after all.

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by Paul Rosenberg on Sun Nov 27, 2005 at 10:59:15 PM EST

From a 'Liberal Hawk' (none / 0)

I think the problem with you and many posters is that you try to claim victory too fast.  You have no idea what you are commenting on or how this affects spreading democracy through the region.  Every fragment of evidence you think leads to your predetermined position is apparently proof of your righteousness.

If you are saying that rate on returns are too high for the foreign companies - you may be right, but you need to take into account for the risk.  These contracts will only be fruitful if Iraq flourishes.

As far as who were the useful idiots I think you are too soon to assume that you were not one of them.

by Classical Liberal on Mon Nov 28, 2005 at 01:19:33 PM EST


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